Sanhedrin 109
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BET MIDRASH VIRTUALI
of the Rabbinical Assembly in Israel
RABIN MISHNAH STUDY GROUP
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Today's shiur is dedicated by Robert S. Scherr in memory of his mother, Ruth Scherr, whose Yahrzeit is on Yom Kippur.
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הָיָה אָבִיו רוֹצֶה וְאִמּוֹ אֵינָהּ רוֹצָה, אָבִיו אֵינוֹ רוֹצֶה וְאִמּוֹ רוֹצָה – אֵינוֹ נַעֲשֶׂה בֵן סוֹרֵר וּמוֹרֶה עַד שֶׁיְּהוּ שְׁנֵיהֶם רוֹצִים. רַבִּי יְהוּדָה אוֹמֵר: אִם לֹא הָיְתָה אִמּוֹ רְאוּיָה לְאָבִיו אֵינוֹ נַעֲשֶׂה בֵן סוֹרֵר וּמוֹרֶה. הָיָה אֶחָד מֵהֶם גִּדֵּם אוֹ חִגֵּר אוֹ אִלֵּם אוֹ סוּמָא אוֹ חֵרֵשׁ, אֵינוֹ נַעֲשֶׂה בֵן סוֹרֵר וּמוֹרֶה, שֶׁנֶּאֱמַר "וְתָפְשׂוּ בוֹ אָבִיו וְאִמּוֹ" – וְלֹא גִדְּמִין. "וְהוֹצִיאוּ אֹתוֹ" – וְלֹא חִגְּרִין. "וְאָמְרוּ" – וְלֹא אִלְּמִין. "בְּנֵנוּ זֶה" – וְלֹא סוּמִין. "אֵינֶנּוּ שֹׁמֵעַ בְּקֹלֵנ" – וְלֹא חֵרְשִׁין. מַתְרִין בּוֹ בִּפְנֵי שְׁלשָׁה וּמַלְקִין אוֹתוֹ. חָזַר וְקִלְקֵל, נִדּוֹן בְּעֶשְׂרִים וּשְׁלשָׁה. וְאֵינוֹ נִסְקָל עַד שֶׁיְּהוּ שָׁם שְׁלשָׁה הָרִאשׁוֹנִים, שֶׁנֶּאֱמַר: "בְּנֵנוּ זֶה" – זֶהוּ שֶׁלָּקָה בִּפְנֵיכֶם. בָּרַח עַד שֶׁלֹּא נִגְמַר דִּינוֹ וְאַחַר כָּךְ הִקִּיף זָקָן הַתַּחְתּוֹן, פָּטוּר. וְאִם מִשֶּׁנִּגְמַר דִּינוֹ בָּרַח וְאַחַר כָּךְ הִקִּיף זָקָן הַתַּחְתּוֹן, חַיָּב:
A lad can not be declared a Riotous and Rebellious son unless both his father and his mother agree. Rabbi Yehudah says that he may not be declared a Riotous and Rebellious son if his mother was not compatible with his father.
He may not be declared a Riotous and Rebellious son if one of his parents was crippled in hand or leg or was dumb. blind or deaf; for [the Torah] says [Deuteronomy 21:19]: "[the parents] shall apprehend him" – which excludes those with no hands; "they shall bring him out" – which excludes cripples; "they shall declare" – which excludes the dumb; "'this son of ours'" – which excludes the blind; "'does not hearken to our voice'" – which excludes the deaf. He is first warned and flogged before three; if he persists in his wrongdoing he is judged in a court of twenty-three, but he may not be stoned to death unless the original three [judges] are among them, for [the Torah] says [Deuteronomy 21:20]: "'This son of ours'" – 'this lad who was flogged in your court'. If he escapes before being sentenced [to death] and subsequently produced genital hair he is not sentenced; but if he escapes after being sentenced and subsequently produced genital hair, the sentence is to be carried out. EXPLANATIONS:
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In the Babylonian Talmud this very long mishnah is divided up into three smaller units. This logical division is indicated in our translation by the paragraphing. 2: 3: 4: To be continued. DISCUSSION:
Reuven Boxman writes concerning the shiur of Sanhedrin 108:
I'm perplexed by one point in today's lesson. You translate the mishna as "He might steal [the food] from his father….", i.e. the stolen object is food, but in your explanations the stolen object is money (used to buy food), e.g. "…by spending money that he has stolen from his father…". Which is intended? I respond: The traditional interpretation is the latter – that the lad steals money from his father, uses it to buy food and liqueur, and consumes these outside his father's domain. In that same shiur I mentioned that I am at present working on a project (under the general auspices of the Rabbinical Assembly in Israel) that will make RMSG and many other topics of study available from the Internet … The only thing that is greatly lacking is money… Art Evans writes: I am moved to make a modest contribution. Please offer an address to which funds can be sent. For those of us in the US, it would be great if there were a charitable organization recognized by the US taxing authorities (a "501(c)3" organization) so that we can take a tax deduction. I respond: The purpose of my remark was to explain why the project was taking time to come to full fruition, not to solicit funds. However, it would be ultimate folly and the height of ingratitude to ignore such a suggestion! Anyone on the USA who is moved to support the Virtual Bet Midrash project financially is requested to send their contribution to: Rabbi Joel Myers, Executive Vice President, Please mark your contribution very clearly "Virtual Bet Midrash". I wish everyone "well over the fast" not only physically, but even more importantly as regards our spiritual well-being. May we all be sealed for a good life. Amen. |