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Avot179

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BET MIDRASH VIRTUALI
of the Rabbinical Assembly in Israel


RABIN MISHNAH STUDY GROUP


Bet Midrash Virtuali

TRACTATE AVOT, CHAPTER THREE, MISHNAH ELEVEN (recap):

Rabbi Dosa ben-Hyrkanos says: Sleeping in the morning, [drinking] wine at noon, children's chatter, and attendance at the synagogues of ignoramuses will take a person out of this world.

EXPLANATIONS (continued):

8:
Another point concerning drinking wine at noon is made by Rabbi Ovadya of Bertinoro. He reminds us that at the time of the sages wine was taken at most meals. On weekdays, only two meals were taken: one was a late breakfast around 9 o'clock and the other was late afternoon or early evening. There was no midday meal. Therefore, anyone drinking wine at midday was doing so with no connection at all with a meal, so this would be drinking for the sake of drinking.

9:
The Hebrew which we have rendered "children's chatter" can be understood in more than one way. Clearly, one meaning must be "chatting with children". Another possible meaning is "talking childishly". Obviously, if a sage acts according to this second meaning his behaviour would be seen as inappropriate by his colleagues. However, the first meaning presents us with a problem. Essentially, not only is there nothing wrong with talking with children, but in many circumstances it is a veritable mitzvah to do so. For example, in Mishneh Torah [Talmud Torah 2:1] Rambam states that

the world exists only because of the breath [or: nonsense] of schoolchidren.

Therefore, it has occurred to me that the sage addressed by Rabbi Dosa ben-Hyrkanos may well be a melamed tinokot, a schoolteacher whose task it was to educate children in general and in Torah in particular. A teacher who engages in chatter with his little charges instead of teaching them is betraying not only his calling but also the trust of the parents.

10:
In the days of the sages which synagogue one attended was a very serious matter. Many of the synagogues belonged to workers' guilds and other such organizational associations. Clearly, some of these synagogue must have attracted people who would sit and chatter throughout the service rather than dedicate themselves to their prayers. One could hardly concentrate on one's devotions in such an atmosphere. In a much later age Rambam [Responsa 256] even abolished the silent Amidah on Shabbat and festivals because of such people:

As far as our own custom is concerned, we have deemed it necessary and worthy [to omit the silent Amidah] because in our day and age and in this place [Cairo] people have bad habits… What caused me to have to do this was the fact that [formerly] during the Reader's repetition people paid no attention to what he was saying; they would chatter with each other or go outside, and he was almost reciting a pointless benediction because no one was listening. And the unlearned, when he sees scholars and such chatting, clearing their throats and spitting and not behaving as someone engaged in prayer during the Reader's repetition, is liable to do the same…

Under such circumstances the advice of Rabbi Dosa ben-Hyrkanos concerning "attendance at synagogues of ignoramuses" is more understandable.

DISCUSSION:

In Avot 175, concerning the Takkanah of Rabbenu Gershom prohibiting polygamy, I wrote: To the sages of the time this difference [between men and women] seemed to be inherently wrong.

My colleague, Marty Berman, writes:

I certainly accept that for whatever reason the sages of the time thought that polygamy was wrong, but what is the basis for your statement that it was the inequality of the situation that bothered them and not simply the idea of a man having more than one wife? Indeed, the idea of the "heter meah rabbanim" to take a second wife would suggest that it was not the inequality of the situation that bothered them. I have no desire to argue the correctness of you later assertions, although I do disagree. But I am curious about the above and would love to hear a response to that.

I respond:

I believe that I addressed this question in the very same shiur. I wrote that Rabbenu Gershom managed to get yet another takkanah passed: no woman shall be divorced without her expressed consent freely stated before the Bet Din: Rotzah ani – I consent. And, in response to another query, in the following shiur I wrote: The takkanah of Rabbenu Gershom seeks to make human marriage an imitation of the 'divine marriage' – if such an expression is permissible. Being human we are not always able to live up to the ideal, which is why the takkanah leaves a loophole for special circumstances – permission for a bigamous marriage with the assent of one hundred rabbis: but the ideal remains the ideal in almost 100% of the cases. The heter me'ah rabbanim is that loophole. But the agreement of one hundred rabbis from different places would be required to permit a man to marry a second wife while his marriage to a first wife was still valid. Rabbenu Gershom did not make it easy to circumvent the requirement of the woman's consent. Indeed, he made it very difficult.



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