Sanhedrin 112
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BET MIDRASH VIRTUALI
of the Rabbinical Assembly in Israel
RABIN MISHNAH STUDY GROUP
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הַבָּא בַמַּחְתֶּרֶת נִדּוֹן עַל שֵׁם סוֹפוֹ. הָיָה בָא בַמַּחְתֶּרֶת וְשָׁבַר אֶת הֶחָבִית – אִם יֶשׁ לוֹ דָמִים חַיָּב. אִם אֵין לוֹ דָמִים, פָּטוּר:
One caught breaking in is condemned on account of his future. If one caught breaking in damages a cask he is liable if his life is not forfeit, but if his life is forfeit he is excused.
EXPLANATIONS:
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The last two mishnayot of the present chapter have nothing to do with the riotous and rebellious son. And yet there is a logical and a developmental connection between the main topic of this chapter and the topic of our present mishnah. We saw in the previous mishnah that "the riotous and rebellious son is condemned on account of his future". That is to say, his life is forfeit not because of something he has done but because of what he most probably will do in the future. Another law which makes a person's life forfeit even though they have not yet committed a capital offence is the person caught breaking in to another person's home. 2:
If a person steals an ox or a sheep, slaughters it and sells it [for profit], he shall be fined the value of five head of cattle as restitution for the ox or four herd animals as restitution for the sheep. If the thief is caught breaking in [to someone else's property] he may be struck to death for his life is forfeit. But if the sun is shining [when he breaks in] his life is not forfeit: he must pay restitution, and if he cannot do so he must be sold for his debt. If the stolen property is found on his person – be it a live ox or donkey or sheep – he shall pay double by way if restitution [Exodus 21:37-22:3].
This passage from the Torah is by no means easy to translate, and the above translation is not literal, but based on the traditional interpretation of the verses. It would perhaps be helpful if I were to make comments.
3: 4: 5: 6: 7: 8: DISCUSSION:
Orin Rotman writes:
What seems so curious about the entire discussion about the rebellious son, and particularly mishnah five as to the 'reason' for his condemnation is the lack of discussion about the mitzvah Kabed et avicha… Would it not seem that there would be a kal v'chomer type of analysis that if a son could be condemned for 'so little' that surely he could be condemned for something much more serious? Or if not condemned, a more general analysis of what duties a child has and what options short of 'death for the kid's sake' might be in order. There is only reward of prolonged life (in ha aretz?) that appears to be associated with observance of the mitzvah. Is there punishment contemplated for its violation, and if so what form does our tradition contemplate? How would or does our tradition view the developing modern trend of parents suing children and children suing parents for things that might be classified as both Mamonot and Nefashot violations? I respond: Perhaps my explanation of mishnah five was not as clear as it should have been. The sages make quite clear that the lad is not put to death because of what he has done but because of what he might well be expected to do in the future. What he has done involves disobedience to his parents instruction and a kind of contempt of court – for he repeated his offence after having been warned by the court not to do so. Perhaps we should also add that the boy has stolen from his parents. None of these acts warrant the death penalty. The punishment for non-observance of the requirement to honour our parents is in the hands of the heavenly court and not the human court, and as we have seen today the punishment for theft is twofold restitution. This is why the sages stated quite clearly that the death penalty is meted out (in theory) to the riotous and rebellious son because of the future crimes of larceny and armed robbery that may be presumed to be his ultimate destiny. Furthermore, I think that it is important to remind ourselves of a point we made several times when studying Tractate Kiddushin: the law requiring us to honour our parents is directed at the adult not at the child: it is concerned with the duty of the adult to respect and provide for the aged parent. I have also received the following communication from Reuven Boxman: The statement "The riotous and rebellious son is condemned on account of his future" struck me, in the light of a conversation we had last night with one of our dinner guests, a political scientist. He related that recently the U.S. has happily experienced a significant drop in its crime rate, and that one social scientist published an analysis relating a significant fraction of this drop to the U.S. Supreme Court Decision in the case of Wade vs Roe (allowing abortion on demand) some twenty years ago. The agreement was that because of that decision, less children were born into circumstances which would statistically lead to a life of crime. Reuven also sent me the following comment sent to him by his dinner-guest: As the source for telling you about the research study, might I also add that it too is relevant to this shiur, for the children who turn into criminals are products of parents who (as Hirsch explains) also couldn't control their sexual urges (in the U.S. many of them are 13 years old!!), so that abortion is at least a "second chance" to lessen the future personal and social damage of their promiscuity. |